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Sword LICENSE

Jaak Ristioja-2
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Hello!

The LICENSE file states the following:

The SWORD Project is (c) 1994-2006 The CrossWire Bible Society, under the
terms of the GNU GPL, as stated below.

NOTE: The text of the GNU GPL license is copyrighted by the Free Software
Foundation, Inc., but The SWORD Project is copyrighted Corporately under:

                CrossWire Bible Society
                P. O. Box 2528
                Tempe, AZ  85280-2528

_________________________________________________________________



Does that mean the the tarballs and the SVN code are under the GPL 2
or not? If they are, why this strange and confusing addition to the
LICENSE file?


Blessings,
Jaak
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Re: Sword LICENSE

Chris Little-2
On 02/03/2014 12:42 PM, Jaak Ristioja wrote:

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> Hello!
>
> The LICENSE file states the following:
>
> The SWORD Project is (c) 1994-2006 The CrossWire Bible Society, under the
> terms of the GNU GPL, as stated below.
>
> NOTE: The text of the GNU GPL license is copyrighted by the Free Software
> Foundation, Inc., but The SWORD Project is copyrighted Corporately under:
>
>                  CrossWire Bible Society
>                  P. O. Box 2528
>                  Tempe, AZ  85280-2528
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> Does that mean the the tarballs and the SVN code are under the GPL 2
> or not? If they are, why this strange and confusing addition to the
> LICENSE file?

All Sword code, including but not limited to tarballs & code in SVN, is
licensed under GPL 2.

The note indicates that all of the text below the bar (the GPL itself)
is copyrighted by the FSF, which is also true.

Does that clear up your confusion?

--Chris


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Re: Sword LICENSE

Jaak Ristioja-2
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On 03.02.2014 23:17, Chris Little wrote:

> On 02/03/2014 12:42 PM, Jaak Ristioja wrote:
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>> Hello!
>>
>> The LICENSE file states the following:
>>
>> The SWORD Project is (c) 1994-2006 The CrossWire Bible Society,
>> under the terms of the GNU GPL, as stated below.
>>
>> NOTE: The text of the GNU GPL license is copyrighted by the Free
>> Software Foundation, Inc., but The SWORD Project is copyrighted
>> Corporately under:
>>
>> CrossWire Bible Society P. O. Box 2528 Tempe, AZ  85280-2528
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
Does that mean the the tarballs and the SVN code are under the GPL 2

>> or not? If they are, why this strange and confusing addition to
>> the LICENSE file?
>
> All Sword code, including but not limited to tarballs & code in
> SVN, is licensed under GPL 2.
>
> The note indicates that all of the text below the bar (the GPL
> itself) is copyrighted by the FSF, which is also true.
>
> Does that clear up your confusion?

I can take you word for it, but I still find the text itself to be
confusing. However, this might be because I'm not a native English
speaker.

Thanks!

Jaak
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Re: Sword LICENSE

David Haslam
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Suggest the license date range be updated to 1994-2014.

And for whoever actions it to add a repeat calendar action for annual update.

Blessings,

David
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Re: Sword LICENSE

DM Smith-5
FYI: You are only supposed to update a date range on a file of code when it changes.

IMHO: Since copyright is a lot longer than any of us will experience, the actual end year is not that important.

On Feb 4, 2014, at 3:30 PM, David Haslam <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Suggest the license date range be updated to 1994-2014.
>
> And for whoever actions it to add a repeat calendar action for annual
> update.
>
> Blessings,
>
> David
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Sword-LICENSE-tp4653466p4653479.html
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Re: Sword LICENSE

Chris Little-2
I updated the license yesterday in r3026, with the year 2014 and a new
copy of the GPL. (Our copy was a bit stale and had some errors and other
stuff that had long been corrected.)

--Chris


On 02/04/2014 12:37 PM, DM Smith wrote:

> FYI: You are only supposed to update a date range on a file of code when it changes.
>
> IMHO: Since copyright is a lot longer than any of us will experience, the actual end year is not that important.
>
> On Feb 4, 2014, at 3:30 PM, David Haslam <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Suggest the license date range be updated to 1994-2014.
>>
>> And for whoever actions it to add a repeat calendar action for annual
>> update.
>>
>> Blessings,
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Sword-LICENSE-tp4653466p4653479.html
>> Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
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Re: Sword LICENSE

Daniel Hughes
This might be a little off topic but does the line...
"The SWORD Project is (c) 1994-2006 The CrossWire Bible Society"

Mean that sword requires copyright assignment to CrossWire for all
contributions? If so is this because CrossWire also licences SWORD
under commercial terms or wants to be able to have the option to do so
in the future?

On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Chris Little <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I updated the license yesterday in r3026, with the year 2014 and a new copy
> of the GPL. (Our copy was a bit stale and had some errors and other stuff
> that had long been corrected.)
>
> --Chris
>
>
>
> On 02/04/2014 12:37 PM, DM Smith wrote:
>>
>> FYI: You are only supposed to update a date range on a file of code when
>> it changes.
>>
>> IMHO: Since copyright is a lot longer than any of us will experience, the
>> actual end year is not that important.
>>
>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 3:30 PM, David Haslam <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Suggest the license date range be updated to 1994-2014.
>>>
>>> And for whoever actions it to add a repeat calendar action for annual
>>> update.
>>>
>>> Blessings,
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Sword-LICENSE-tp4653466p4653479.html
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Re: Sword LICENSE

Jaak Ristioja-2
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On 05.02.2014 02:14, Daniel Hughes wrote:
> This might be a little off topic but does the line... "The SWORD
> Project is (c) 1994-2006 The CrossWire Bible Society"
>
> Mean that sword requires copyright assignment to CrossWire for all
> contributions? If so is this because CrossWire also licences SWORD
> under commercial terms or wants to be able to have the option to do
> so in the future?

I think they could once the copyrights expire, or if they explicitly
ask each committer for the right to do so. I think they are required
to expect what everyone who has contributed to the Sword library
project released their work under the GPL. I don't remember anyone
asking me to sign over my work to CrossWire.

Blessings,
Jaak
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Re: Sword LICENSE

Troy A. Griffitts
Re: Dual Ownership

Yes, CrossWire as always had the policy of requiring ownership be also
granted to CrossWire for any contributions which get added to our
repository.  This has been discussed many times and should be posted
conspicuously in multiple locations on our website (I hope it is
still).  It doesn't mean the original author loses their ownership, but
they must grant ownership rights also to CrossWire.  The reason has
indeed been that Bible societies, translation organizations, and other
ministries have at times asked to use our engine within a work which is
not GPL and we consider their request and almost always grant
permission.  I personally am not religious about the GPL.  My personal
goal is to write free software to aid ministries to serve their people
groups.  If they feel their ministry is served best by asking for
donations or selling part of their work to fund future work, I may not
always agree with them, but that is their choice.  I don't feel it's my
place to dictate to them how their ministry should be run, at the risk
that I won't aid their ministry.  If anyone would have submitted code or
a patch which included a copyright notice by other than CrossWire Bible
Society or by any other license than the GPL, it would not have been
accepted.  The reason I didn't choose an MIT style license is to better
encourage commercial vendors to contribute back to our code, if they
ever find parts of it useful.  That hasn't worked so well :(  I hope no
one feels they have been cheated.  We have always openly maintained this
policy and the copyright notice is universal throughout our code base.  
I also hope we all feel the same about still aiding ministries where it
would be difficult for them to change their product licenses to GPL.

Troy



On 02/04/2014 11:45 PM, Jaak Ristioja wrote:

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> On 05.02.2014 02:14, Daniel Hughes wrote:
>> This might be a little off topic but does the line... "The SWORD
>> Project is (c) 1994-2006 The CrossWire Bible Society"
>>
>> Mean that sword requires copyright assignment to CrossWire for all
>> contributions? If so is this because CrossWire also licences SWORD
>> under commercial terms or wants to be able to have the option to do
>> so in the future?
> I think they could once the copyrights expire, or if they explicitly
> ask each committer for the right to do so. I think they are required
> to expect what everyone who has contributed to the Sword library
> project released their work under the GPL. I don't remember anyone
> asking me to sign over my work to CrossWire.
>
> Blessings,
> Jaak
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Re: Sword LICENSE

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On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Troy A. Griffitts <[hidden email]> wrote:
Re: Dual Ownership

Yes, CrossWire as always had the policy of requiring ownership be also granted to CrossWire for any contributions which get added to our repository.  This has been discussed many times and should be posted conspicuously in multiple locations on our website (I hope it is still).  It doesn't mean the original author loses their ownership, but they must grant ownership rights also to CrossWire.  The reason has indeed been that Bible societies, translation organizations, and other ministries have at times asked to use our engine within a work which is not GPL and we consider their request and almost always grant permission.  I personally am not religious about the GPL.  My personal goal is to write free software to aid ministries to serve their people groups.  If they feel their ministry is served best by asking for donations or selling part of their work to fund future work, I may not always agree with them, but that is their choice.  I don't feel it's my place to dictate to them how their ministry should be run, at the risk that I won't aid their ministry.  If anyone would have submitted code or a patch which included a copyright notice by other than CrossWire Bible Society or by any other license than the GPL, it would not have been accepted.  The reason I didn't choose an MIT style license is to better encourage commercial vendors to contribute back to our code, if they ever find parts of it useful.  That hasn't worked so well :(  I hope no one feels they have been cheated.  We have always openly maintained this policy and the copyright notice is universal throughout our code base.  I also hope we all feel the same about still aiding ministries where it would be difficult for them to change their product licenses to GPL.

Troy

I think this is a good policy since it makes us accountable to God. 

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