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David Haslam

ChiUns module contains superfluous spaces (ANSI 32)

While displaying the simplified Chinese Union Version module ChiUns using Xiphos, I have observed that there is at least one ordinary ANSI space between each CJK ideogram.

This is confirmed as being module content, rather than a rendering artefact.

I exported the contents using MOD2IMP, and then removed all XML tags (e.g. for Strongs & Morph) from a copy of the raw IMP text file.

It has many such spaces on every line. e.g.

$$$Genesis 1:1
起 初  ， 　 神  创 造   天  地  。
$$$Genesis 1:2
地  是   空 虚  混 沌  ， 渊  面  黑 暗  ； 　 神  的 灵  运 行   在 水  面  上  。
$$$Genesis 1:3
　 神  说   ： 要 冇   光  ， 就 冇 了  光  。
$$$Genesis 1:4
　 神  看   光  是 好 的  ， 就 把 光  暗  分 幵 了   。
$$$Genesis 1:5
　 神  称   光  为 昼  ， 称   暗  为 夜  。 冇  晚 上  ， 冇  早 晨  ， 这 是 头 一  日  。

The only spaces that should be in any Chinese text are the ideographic space U+3000,
as the general style is for the CJK ideograms to appear as on a grid pattern.
cf. The ideographic space is largely used to precede the Divine Name. i.e. "　神"

The ordinary spaces probably originated from the preprocessing used to add tags for Strongs & Morph markup.
They shouldn't be there. The same passage should appear like this:

$$$Genesis 1:1
起初　神创造天地。
$$$Genesis 1:2
地是空虚混沌，渊面黑暗；　神的灵运行在水面上。
$$$Genesis 1:3
　神说：“要有光。”就有了光。
$$$Genesis 1:4
　神看光是好的，就把光暗分开了。
$$$Genesis 1:5
　神称光为“昼”，称暗为“夜”。有晚上，有早晨，这是头一日。

I imagine the same symptom occurs for the traditional Chinese Union module, and for our other Chinese modules, though I haven't yet researched this.

I know that Chris intends eventually to remake these modules from a better text source (see JIRA bugs for modules), yet I thought this aspect warrants a wider understanding.

btw. I'm not an expert on Chinese, but I have acquired quite a few Chinese friends and contacts in the course of my work on Go Bible.

David Haslam

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Leo So

Re: ChiUns module contains superfluous spaces (ANSI 32)

Agree. Those ANSI space character in both simplified and traditional versions should be gone.

Immanuel,

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Subject: [sword-devel] ChiUns module contains superfluous spaces (ANSI 32)

While displaying the simplified Chinese Union Version module ChiUns using
Xiphos, I have observed that there is at least one ordinary ANSI space
between each CJK ideogram.

This is confirmed as being module content, rather than a rendering artefact.

I exported the contents using MOD2IMP, and then removed all XML tags (e.g.
for Strongs & Morph) from a copy of the raw IMP text file.

It has many such spaces on every line. e.g.

$$$Genesis 1:1
起初，　神创造   天地。
$$$Genesis 1:2
地是   空虚混沌，渊面黑暗；　神的灵运行   在水面上。
$$$Genesis 1:3
　神说   ：要冇   光，就冇了光。
$$$Genesis 1:4
　神看   光是好的，就把光暗分幵了   。
$$$Genesis 1:5
　神称   光为昼，称   暗为夜。冇晚上，冇早晨，这是头一日。
The only spaces that should be in any Chinese text are the ideographic space
U+3000,
as the general style is for the CJK ideograms to appear as on a grid
pattern.
cf. The ideographic space is largely used to precede the Divine Name. i.e.
"　神"

The ordinary spaces probably originated from the preprocessing used to add
tags for Strongs & Morph markup.
They shouldn't be there. The same passage should appear like this:

$$$Genesis 1:1
起初　神创造天地。
$$$Genesis 1:2
地是空虚混沌，渊面黑暗；　神的灵运行在水面上。
$$$Genesis 1:3
　神说：“要有光。”就有了光。
$$$Genesis 1:4
　神看光是好的，就把光暗分开了。
$$$Genesis 1:5
　神称光为“昼”，称暗为“夜”。有晚上，有早晨，这是头一日。
I imagine the same symptom occurs for the traditional Chinese Union module,
and for our other Chinese modules, though I haven't yet researched this.

I know that Chris intends eventually to remake these modules from a better
text source (see JIRA bugs for modules), yet I thought this aspect warrants
a wider understanding.

btw. I'm not an expert on Chinese, but I have acquired quite a few Chinese
friends and contacts in the course of my work on Go Bible.

David Haslam

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